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Alba jimenez
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Our journey! Feb 20, 2019 6:10:45 GMT 9

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Post by Alba jimenez on Feb 20, 2019 6:10:45 GMT 9

Feb 19, 2019 19:52:57 GMT 9 Raquel said:

What's with buses that little boys are obsessed with them? My son was the same about a year ago. But it also allows you to practice lots of vocabulary he'll want to learn: "look at the blue bus. It's a very big bus. See how fast it is. There's the bus driver, and all the passengers..."

I have no idea, Raquel, but yes, little one is obsessed! Seeing real buses in the street, through the window, on TV, playing with his toy bus (at Christmas he even put the three wise men figurines in the bus), in books.

Good idea, I'll start talking his language, rather than just saying vroom vroom pii pii, lol!

Regarding ML time, yes, I speak to him only in ml. I find myself repeating things in English again sometimes if I want the other mum to understand (sometimes I think I over-complicate myself though, so I'll try to be more blunt in that sense).

Thanks! I just googled how many words a monolingual 18-month-old would know on average just to think: why would I do that? So that's it, I'm not comparing anymore, we are in another league.

Today we had such a nice day, we went to the library for some nurseries sing-along (in ML, but he enjoyed it so much) and then we read some books in ml (well ML books I translate as I read), got some home and he was so interested, i loved it. We read a lot in ml1 today. I wish I could say the same about ml2 but his father arrived very tired from work, so pending for tomorrow.

He is becoming so cheeky and we have quite some laughs with him. I can definitely see he is trying to reach out to us and communicate more. Although tantrums have started too of course!

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Our journey! Feb 20, 2019 18:17:07 GMT 9

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Post by Raquel on Feb 20, 2019 18:17:07 GMT 9

18 months is a very nice age. You'll see how quickly things move, language-wise, from now on. It's slow in the beginning, but by the time they're 2 they're using many more words and putting them together. You'll see. My children certainly used less than 26 words when they were 18 months old. I have no idea what monolinguals do.

Anything they like is always an ml opportunity. It isn't just that you can talk about that topic, but also read books to them they're interested in. In about a year, if he's anything like my nephew and my son, he'll love dinosaurs.

I'm glad to hear everything is going so well, Alba.

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Our journey! Feb 21, 2019 19:52:02 GMT 9

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Post by Alba jimenez on Feb 21, 2019 19:52:02 GMT 9

Thank you, Raquel.

Yes, we have started already with dinosaurs but I know what you mean, it will probably be the next obsession.

He doesn't use these 26 words every day but they are words he uttered himself at some point without repeating them, so I know he knows them. In addition to this, in the last couple of days he is singing "row, row..." over and over again from the "Row Your Boat" song.

Also, this morning, as I was bringing him into nursery he saw some balloons in a tree next door, and said "globo" (balloon), that caught me by surprise!

Having continued my reading of Adam's book, I have also realised that his father speaking a bit of ml1 to him might not be a bad thing as I used to think, as there's this other approach: both parents speaking ml and one parent speaking (in our case) ml2. I think it will make ml1 stronger, while of course his dad shouldn't disregard ml2 by doing this, but I believe he realises he responds well in some cases in ml1 (Spanish). The nature of our ml2 language (Hindi) also means that he hears quite a lot of English words (ML) mixed with it, which I hope won't be confusing, but will help with both languages. We'll have to see as it comes.

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Our journey! Feb 21, 2019 19:55:06 GMT 9

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Post by Alba jimenez on Feb 21, 2019 19:55:06 GMT 9

I have no idea what monolinguals do.

I actually read online that on average they speak 68 words! I thought it was too much!

Well, we have three languages, so a third of that.

www.pbs.org/parents/childdevelopmenttracker/one/language.html

Anyway, as I say, it's different so we shouldn't compare.

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Our journey! Feb 22, 2019 7:26:51 GMT 9

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Post by Alba jimenez on Feb 22, 2019 7:26:51 GMT 9

Feb 21, 2019 20:30:07 GMT 9 Raquel said:

68, yikes!! That's a lot of words. I checked and my daughter said 17 words at that age, while my son used 37. Your son is somewhere in between. But he's dealing with 3 languages while my kids were only exposed to 2, so it isn't a fair comparison.

Brilliant! Thank you in any case for the comparison as it's helpful for me to have an idea nevertheless! Like in everything else, every child will be different.

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Our journey! Feb 24, 2019 10:11:11 GMT 9

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Post by Adam Beck on Feb 24, 2019 10:11:11 GMT 9

Feb 21, 2019 19:52:02 GMT 9 Alba jimenez said:

Having continued my reading of Adam's book, I have also realised that his father speaking a bit of ml1 to him might not be a bad thing as I used to think, as there's this other approach: both parents speaking ml and one parent speaking (in our case) ml2. I think it will make ml1 stronger, while of course his dad shouldn't disregard ml2 by doing this, but I believe he realises he responds well in some cases in ml1 (Spanish). The nature of our ml2 language (Hindi) also means that he hears quite a lot of English words (ML) mixed with it, which I hope won't be confusing, but will help with both languages. We'll have to see as it comes.

Alba, I'm glad to hear that things are going well, despite the challenges of your situation.

I agree, if your husband can also help fortify your son's Spanish input, while continuing to be as mindful and proactive as he can realistically be about providing exposure to Hindi, then I expect his contribution will indeed benefit your son's Spanish side.

And I agree, as well, that the overlapping vocabulary of Hindi and English will also serve as an advantage for his development in both languages (and any "confusion" will be outgrown in time).

I enjoy reading your posts, Alba, and I continue to cheer for your trilingual journey!

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Our journey! Feb 26, 2019 23:58:17 GMT 9 via mobile

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Post by Alba jimenez on Feb 26, 2019 23:58:17 GMT 9

Feb 24, 2019 10:11:11 GMT 9 Adam Beck said:

Feb 21, 2019 19:52:02 GMT 9 Alba jimenez said:

Alba, I'm glad to hear that things are going well, despite the challenges of your situation.

And I agree, as well, that the overlapping vocabulary of Hindi and English will also serve as an advantage for his development in both languages (and any "confusion" will be outgrown in time).

I enjoy reading your posts, Alba, and I continue to cheer for your trilingual journey!

Thanks a lot, Adam!! I really appreciate your following and encouragement! I'm very grateful to this forum and your contribution as there are so many resources. I'm more active and disposed some days than others but I think it works as it helps have a balance, and there are plenty of ideas and challenges when motivation kicks in.

Thanks for your help xx

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Our journey! Feb 27, 2019 0:04:45 GMT 9

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Post by Amy on Feb 27, 2019 0:04:45 GMT 9

Feb 26, 2019 23:58:17 GMT 9 Alba jimenez said:

I'm very grateful to this forum and your contribution as there are so many resources. I'm more active and disposed some days than others but I think it works as it helps have a balance, and there are plenty of ideas and challenges when motivation kicks in.

That's part of the highs and lows of the bilingual journey, Alba

I'm currently sick, so I obviously am a lot less active than my usual bilingual-mum self.

And before that I was feeling rather worn down by parenthood. But that's okay, it will all soon pass and I'll be active all over again. It happens to all of us, we're only human! The most important is to never give up and to be persistent when our health and spirits allow.

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Raquel Star Keeper Posts: 1,233 Country (residing now): Spain Country (originally from): Spain Children, Ages: daughter (10) & son (7) Majority Language: Spanish Minority Language(s): English	Our journey! Feb 27, 2019 19:27:04 GMT 9 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Raquel on Feb 27, 2019 19:27:04 GMT 9 We all have our ups and downs, Alba. We're only human! Parenthood is a tough job. I agree with Amy: the key is not giving up. Nice find, Amy!!

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Our journey! Mar 2, 2019 7:53:05 GMT 9 via mobile

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Post by Alba jimenez on Mar 2, 2019 7:53:05 GMT 9

Feb 27, 2019 6:06:20 GMT 9 Amy said:

Alba,

Just saw a Tweet announcing this book about first numbers in English and Hindi and I thought it might be of interest to you:
My First Bilingual Books - Numbers (English-Hindi)

Hope this can be of help to you.

Amazing, thanks a lot, Amy!!

I appreciate it. We've been counting a lot until 10 lately actually and my little one said his second Hindi word: "das" which is number 10

with both open hands!

Completely agree with the ups and downs, like jn everything else I guess, but I start to get that it's a marathon rather than a sprint.

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Our journey! Mar 11, 2019 18:38:56 GMT 9

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Post by Alba jimenez on Mar 11, 2019 18:38:56 GMT 9

Hi Amy,

I hope you're feeling better!

I bought the Hindi numbers book.

It should be a nice surprise for father and son.

I can't open the second link you passed me, Amy, it redirects to this thread. If you still have it, it sounds very interesting!

Thanks.

Raquel, I agree parenthood is a tough job! Last week was long, little one has been poorly again and we had little sleep. It definitely affects you. This week we are better and have more plans.

Hope you're well!

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Our journey! Mar 11, 2019 19:28:48 GMT 9

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Post by Raquel on Mar 11, 2019 19:28:48 GMT 9

Sorry to hear that, Alba jimenez, but I'm glad he is -you both are!- better this week. Lack of sleep is hard on anyone. I don't miss those days of working on 3h of sleep, exhausted before a long day begins. But know it gets better. Enjoy your plans!!

Thanks! Everything's well on my end. How is your son doing these days? Any new words?

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Our journey! Mar 12, 2019 6:18:22 GMT 9

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Post by Amy on Mar 12, 2019 6:18:22 GMT 9

Mar 11, 2019 18:38:56 GMT 9 Alba jimenez said:

Hi Amy,

I hope you're feeling better!
I bought the Hindi numbers book

it should be a nice surprise for father and son.

I cannot open the second link you passed me, Amy, it redirects to this thread. If you still have it it sounds very interesting!

thanks.

¡Hola Alba!

I am fully recovered now, thank you!

Sorry, for the link. Don't know what I did there! Here it is:
bilingualkidspot.com/2019/03/05/hindi-books-comics-stories-for-kids-in-hindi/

So great to hear you got the first one!

Hope it will make a happy surprise to both Daddy and Baby.

Have a lovely evening!

PS: I have issues with that link when posting it on this forum. If it still doesn't work, let me know and I'll send it in a PM.

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Our journey! Mar 12, 2019 7:26:25 GMT 9

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Post by Alba jimenez on Mar 12, 2019 7:26:25 GMT 9

Mar 12, 2019 6:18:22 GMT 9 Amy said:

Sorry, for the link. Son't know what I did there! Here it is:
bilingualkidspot.com/2019/03/05/hindi-books-comics-stories-for-kids-in-hindi/

Thank you, Amy!! For the link to these books and for the site too, looks promising and I didn't know about it.

You know what, I am also dusting off my Twitter account as I want to use it more actively again.

I had literally forgotten about it.

How is your son doing these days? Any new words?

Raquel , thank you! (And sorry, I am trying to capitalise your name, I'm just terrible at this quoting thing here!) We're doing fine, there hasn't been a lot of improvement as my son was not feeling 100%, but even though, he is getting smarter and cheekier by the day.

He is in full mode exploring and plotting but also repeating a lot of words that he hears from us, more than earlier, and repeating more of the ML if he hears it, which makes me stay more vigilant but I guess it's normal.

In ml2, Hindi, I could swear once he got upset with his dad he started saying "nahi, nahi" which means "no". It's funny cause it came out so naturally that we didn't really know what to think of it, but I think it was definitely that he had heard his dad.

There's been a lot of counting numbers lately, mostly because we had to use an inhaler with him temporarily for his breathing and counting until 10, which of course we did in all three languages! And sometimes when he's playing he says in ml1 "uno, tres" (one, three) all of a sudden "siete" (seven).

He understands quite a lot in ml1 and I'm trying to stop using as many gestures as I used to do as an aid and he stills understands perfectly.

When I try to talk to him of future plans, what we're doing tomorrow for instance, I'm not sure he follows but it may not be easy to understand that at this stage, and when the thing I'm talking about will happen.

I just keep talking to him about all things possible anyway.

I'll keep updating here! xxx

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Our journey! Mar 12, 2019 18:59:05 GMT 9

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Post by Raquel on Mar 12, 2019 18:59:05 GMT 9

I thought you said there hadn't been much improvement, and yet he said "no" in ml2 and different numbers in ml1!

I wouldn't worry about talking about things he can't understand. He will one day! Until then, he's hearing the language, the sounds, taking in the grammar, learning new vocabulary... I keep explaining everything, even though my 2yo is too small to understand many of the things I say and my 5yo daughter ignores me.

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Our journey! Mar 13, 2019 8:08:28 GMT 9

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Post by Alba jimenez on Mar 13, 2019 8:08:28 GMT 9

Mar 12, 2019 18:59:05 GMT 9 Raquel said:

I thought you said there hadn't been much improvement, and yet he said "no" in ml2 and different numbers in ml1!

True, Raquel!

He is also saying "tren" (train) a lot and quite obsessed with trains these days! Apart from that, a lot of animal sounds too. He doesn't really pronounce his "r" though, neither in "tren" nor in "parque" (park) (which sounds like /paca/ or /paque/) but he says them.Total words now: 34

I keep explaining everything, even though my 2yo is too small to understand many of the things I say and my 5yo daughter ignores me.

That made me laugh and it's so true, I see myself in there too. That's mums and there will be a time when they will come back to us for our wisdom finally, although based on experience I guess it takes like 30 years.

Maybe bilinguals figure that out a little earlier! Just joking a bit about it all!

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Our journey! Mar 13, 2019 16:01:11 GMT 9

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Post by Amy on Mar 13, 2019 16:01:11 GMT 9

Mar 13, 2019 8:08:28 GMT 9 Alba jimenez said:

True, Raquel!

Alba, let me put your mind at rest immediately. The Spanish R phoneme is the hardest and last one to be developed by kids at around age 8 or 9. Some monolingual natives like my mother-in-law or a friend of mine even had to have speech therapy at about age 10 because they did not manage to say it right. So don't sweat about it just now!

My 6.5 year old replaces the Rs with Ls, which can be confusing on certain words such as "perro" (dog) becoming "pelo" (hair). But I have just recently noticed how without us prompting her she is spontaneously making serious efforts to get them straight. She is conscious she doesn't say them right because we told her, showed her games to practice, a speech therapist relative gave her tricks. She never really cared so far, only made a little effort over the holidays in Spain, and I don't know why she suddenly tries.

Anyway, all this to say that it is a long way off so don't worry too much about that. A child's speech isn't really clear until around age 3 to 4 and the fact they are trilingual adds to the time they need to get this in order in all 3 languages.

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