So this post is mostly for non-native speakers who are working to improve their skills in the minority language. Or maybe you are a native or near-native speaker but are out of practice or far removed from regular interaction with adult-level (or "high register" as the linguists say) language and you want to keep up your skills/fluency. (Or maybe your child is developing an interest in nuclear reactors or some equally as strange and detailed topic, and you never learned that vocabulary because you moved away from the ml country before that particular conversation ever came up at the dinner table.)
Any ideas about how to do this? Strategies and tips to fit OUR language development into that busy bilingual parenting life? I mean, if we have high expectations for our kids, we need to have them for ourselves, too, right?
Great topic. I was just thinking about how I learn a lot of vocabulary from expanding the ml music we listen to, and even some of the kids' books we read. I also have a few ml friends that I practice speaking with. I have also learned a lot of "kid" words just by speaking with my girls and needing to look things up here and there.
If you don't have many people to practice with, what about checking out a Meetup Spanish language group? Or listening to books on tape in the ml (there should be plenty of options for that in Spanish in the US?) That could be a little more time-friendly.
You didn't discuss nuclear reactors at the dinner table as a child? For shame!
Well, I found books on tape to work wonders, especially when you have an hour commute each way. Now that I don't have the commute I listen to 15-minute podcasts as I go for my daily lunch walk. I found that the intonation is the first thing to go, so the audio input is very important.
For the occasional nuclear reactor I use Wikipedia, usually with my daughter right alongside me. I doubt monolingual parents habitually know the difference between fission and fusion or isotope and ion. So looking that stuff up should carry no shame.
Another useful resource is online communities. My sister at one point was working on Russian by debating everything under the sun on a message board. I use facebook groups for much the same purpose. In facebook, search for [ml language] of [geographical area] and you're bound to find something. Although I doubt geographical area is important. I'm in a Russian children's literature for expats group based out of UK. Their English is occasionally odd, but their Russian is solid.
As an aside, I had the luck of meeting someone in person who has seen my writing online. She said that 6 years ago it was really obvious that I was hanging on to Russian by a thread, but today I seem like the rest of the Russian community. So yay, outside confirmation that my efforts pay off.
My native languages are ML and ml1, my husband's native language is ml2. I have learnt some ml2 as well and try to speak it with my husband as much as possible, but find that for important things and deeper discussions my ml2 skills are not good enough. So we rather use ml1, in which my husband is fluent as well.
To learn more ml2, I have started using Duolingo about a year ago. I really enjoy practising with it, and it has improved my vocabulary quite a bit. I am now working on grammar, since I have always had trouble with verb tenses in ml2.
When I got pregnant, my Spanish was really rusty as I almost did not use it every day. But as I wanted to speak Spanish to my kids, I started to work on waking my Spanish up. It helped a lot to actively start to write again. I searched for a forum of a subject of my interest (twins) and started writing there.The first times I wrote was a big drama to write but slowly it did came back. Also by reading a lot of Spanish (not so many books but mostly blogs with short texts that I could read in between).
When I am in the car without my son, I am listening to news and interview programs in the ml (we do songs, rhymes and games in ml when he is present). I have found a couple and am looking for more (Buenos Dias, America and Radio Bilingue's Linea Abierta, for you Spanish speakers out there). This does mean that I have to give up some time with NPR, to which I am addicted, but it is worth the sacrifice. And now I don't feel as much like commuting is wasted time. And I can keep my adult vocabulary strong.
I am also reading in the ml, trying to switch out my fiction reading in ML to ml. I am reading the Harry Potter books in Spanish. So fun and I am picking up tons of new phrases, which will help L's expression, too. (And now I can say fun things like magic wand and dungeon, which I didn't need to know before I had a kid!) I want to be in good habits so that later L cannot say, "Why do I have to if you don't have to?"
Great question. I read books in my ml (French) as well as listen to podcasts (for learners and natives). The other thing that I did that really helped was to start a story time at the library in our ml. Since I had to do the presentation, read the books, and speak to the parents I got so much more pratice and worked hard to be prepared. I didn't do it with that intention (I started it to benefit my son!) but it's really been great for improving my skills.
I enjoy reading children's novels (to myself!). Since the books are about and for children, the vocabulary tends to relate well and is very colloquial, especially in the dialogues. The problem with adult novels is that they don't necessarily teach me all that much about how to talk with/about/for kids, and as a ml parent, that's exactly what I want to learn!
Also, it was very fun to read books like "Treasure Island" and "The Hobbit" in Yiddish translation, because it was an opportunity to learn all the pirate/fantasy language that you'd never learn in a class or think to look up in a dictionary. I really believe that it's this "colorful" vocabulary which really distinguishes a truly fluent speaker from a "by-the-books" amateur. If you can do all your shopping in the language, but you can't describe a fire-breathing dragon pillaging a village and the army of elves and dwarves that comes to the rescue, or a bunch of pirates hunting for buried treasure and singing pirate songs and making their enemies walk the plank, you're missing a lot... and again, this is the sort of language that I think really enhances one's ability to talk with children, in particular.
The problem is that so many language learning programs really are not oriented towards speaking with children -- they're designed for adult tourists and business-people going to foreign countries, but childhood is so much different (and so much more!) than that.
Sam's post reminded me of one thing I did pretty diligently when I was studying Japanese more actively: I read comic books. I especially enjoyed the popular series featuring the character called Doraemon, a wacky robotic cat, which my kids now enjoy reading, too.
Since comic books tend to consist mostly of dialogue, as opposed to straight prose, they can be particularly useful for advancing spoken language ability. And, of course, the illustrations aid comprehension and can make the reading experience more comfortable.
Just find a fun series in your target language and have an entertaining time as you strengthen your language skills!
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I can also highly recommend comic books, have gained valuable vocab from them. Also I have read the Harry Potter series and a few other short novels targeted at kids/teens.
Another thing which I have recently stated doing is reading and looking for more books in Japanese about raising children etc. Obviously in the absence of books, the internet is a minefield of resources, just waiting for you to explore.
As a non-native speaker trying to raise my child to speak the minority language, it's challenging to keep up our own ability to be able to converse with our children. I guess the best action we can take is to set up an environment with maximum exposure to the minority language for both adults and children. Books, music, TV, shopping. I aim to fill my life with Japanese as much as possible.
I agree with sam that reading children's books for your own enrichment can be quite rewarding. My daughter is still rather fussy when it comes time to read any book with me, so I end up reading it just on my own to learn all the cool words that kids get to use. I love reading the dialogue aloud, as it improves both my reading and oral skills.
To keep up my Standard Arabic skills, I like getting the BBC Arabic daily news. (And BBC has this for dozens of languages.) I can listen to the short broadcast summary, then check out the articles that I'm interested in. And I read Arabic novels in the bath. I'm terrible about doing all my reading on my phone, so the bath is a good opportunity to pick up an honest-to-god book and read a chapter. Last night I started "Chicago" (شيكاجو) by Ala' al-Aswany.
But, honestly, I think the things I do for the children are where I learn the most. I first learned Arabic when I was in the military, so we learned words like "United Nations" and "carbomb" before we learned words like "fork" and "pillow" (if at all). So the everyday, children's vocabulary is really where my gaps are, and I'm always learning new words.
I have to admit that since I moved to Latin America, I sometimes feel like crawling into a shell and not having to speak or read a word more than I have to in Spanish! This is because I am so tired after a day at work (which is 80% in Spanish) that all I want to do is go back to what I feel most comfortable with. Which is a shame, as I should be making the most of the fact that I can easily access resources here that would allow me to engage in Spanish OUTSIDE of a work environment (I have the same issue as Karen with a quite targeted vocabulary, although in my case the words tend to be more things like "capacity development", " stakeholders" and "partnerships" haha). I have actually learnt (somewhat to my dismay, as I would prefer that she use the word in English when speaking with me) quite a lot of "childhood" vocabulary from my daughter, who picks it up at creche (rabbit - for Easter bunny - was a big one this weekend!).
So these posts have inspired me to make more of an effort, particularly as we are only here for another 4 months.
And Karen - I really enjoyed "Chicago". It may not be Great Literature, but I tore through it - then read it again some months later, and enjoyed it just as much the second time around!
Since I kicked the ML out of our home, I have switched all my reading, listening and watching to ml2. In fact, I find it very pleasant and regret I don't have any more time for it. After over a decade in ML country, using ML and ml1 on a daily basis, I have missed my ml2 so much. It is so nice to reclaim it, rediscover forgotten words, expressions. I also take a bit of time to look up words that I can't recall (whether when reading or when I get stumped in a discussion with my kids) or for which I want to check the intensity or context, etc. The latter also helps me build my confidence as more often than not, my initial intuitive use of it was correct.
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Post by Dave Hartley on Apr 18, 2017 22:29:58 GMT 9
I think we're so lucky these days that there is such a gold mine of resources at our fingertips! And I think one possible answer to the question "What can we do?" is "As many different things as possible!". I think I've learned that finding ways to converse is perhaps one of the most important areas. Tatyana mentioned discussing topics on Facebook, which is such a great idea. I'm definitely not up to the level of nuclear reactors though! I've been having German lessons on Skype. I found a great German tutor through a really good website called preply.com.
For reading, I've discovered the Kindle! It's so easy to browse and find great books in different languages, and as you're reading you can tap a word and get an instant translation. It also saves the look-ups so you can rehearse them with flashcards. Pretty smart!
I've been doing 'Daddy TV' (Adam's awesome idea of 'cloning'). First I use Google (cheating, I know!) to translate a book for my daughters, and I type it out and print it. Then I video myself reading it! Feels very awkward, but forces me to analyse my own pronunciation, and the vocab starts to sink in!
I have changed every device I use to English (even made hubby change my Windows to an English version) and read only in English. I'd say I think in English more than I do in Spanish.
One page I used before -don't have much time these days, but I hope to as soon as I can stay awake after 10pm, lol- is Conversationexchange.com. It's a site -free- where you can look for someone who's learning your language and speaks the one you're learning. You can speak through different programs (Skype, FaceTime, etc...), meet face to face or write to each other. I used to find the chat software option very convenient.
Nellie, it's no wonder you're tired after a long day at work using a language that isn't your mother tongue!! When I first started using English a lot -not even for work- I wondered why I was so tired all the time. After a while I realized it was because my brain was working overtime speaking a 2nd language. It's hard! So don't be too hard on yourself.
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Amy: Happy birthday to your 2 bilingual monkeys Mayken and Adam Beck !
Jun 30, 2018 5:15:05 GMT 9
Adam Beck: Mayken, that's true, but in our case, the U.S. didn't make it to the World Cup this time! Japan has gone through, but they'll probably get knocked out very soon...
Jun 30, 2018 7:22:16 GMT 9
Adam Beck: Wojtek, Poland won! I was disappointed, though, to see Japan hold the ball at the end of the game because they only wanted to go through to the next round. I understand why they did that but I wish they had played harder...
Jun 30, 2018 7:24:42 GMT 9
Wojtek: Well, it suited both teams to slow down the ball. However, it was really unexpected and peculiar
Jul 1, 2018 1:16:27 GMT 9
Mayken: On the train from Cologne to my hometown, I saw a boy about 9/10 and his older sister. She was fluent in German but spoke French with a slight accent, he spoke only French. They were visiting their grandparents. I was intrigued but didn't ask.
Jul 1, 2018 22:06:55 GMT 9
Wojtek: Does anyone know an online English speech language therapist? I thought that it could be a good idea to get my girl evaluated in her ml...
Jul 6, 2018 4:02:38 GMT 9
Mayken: Yay! My 8-year-old daughter passed her ml swim test today! After swimming & diving, the pool attendant asked her to recite the swimming/safety rules (our recent captive reading), and she knew them all!
Jul 6, 2018 21:28:23 GMT 9
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Jul 7, 2018 11:28:32 GMT 9
Agnese: First words. What to expect? My son is 10 months old. He's still babbling, but I've noticed some different sounds depending on the situation. I wonder if he'll start saying his first words in the next weeks (or months, who knows?). What should I expect?
Jul 11, 2018 0:30:24 GMT 9
Amy: Don't expect anything Agnese. Just let it happen, and then what he says will hit you like a train. It's an amazing moment. Just live it and don't overthink it. Whatever he says, in whatever language it is, it is a magical moment.
Jul 11, 2018 5:11:14 GMT 9
Agnese: I've recently found a further (annoying) challenge: when I speak ml (Italian) to my child (10m) in front of ML acquaintances, they are making jokes about what I said (mostly accent, similar unrelated words...). What do you think is the best way to act?
Jul 15, 2018 13:04:11 GMT 9
Amy: Agnese, it is simply because they never had the opportunity to be acquainted so closely to that language. Just smile and keep going. Over time (even if this may seem long), the comments will fade. Don't show your son you are embarrassed by your ml.
Jul 16, 2018 3:56:41 GMT 9
Adam Beck: Agnese, I strongly second Amy's advice! Stay strong and continue speaking Italian!
Jul 18, 2018 6:22:37 GMT 9
Adam Beck: And Agnese, keep in mind that, above all, the highest priority is your bilingual aim, not the other passing concerns that are part of this experience (for us all). Don't let these distract you from the greater goal.
Jul 18, 2018 6:24:49 GMT 9
Agnese: Thank you! After this setback I feel stronger than ever! The same day of the incident I ordered plenty of books in the ml on Amazon and I'm reading every day new research on bilingualism and bilingual education. I'm ready to defend my goal! Thanks
Jul 19, 2018 18:37:58 GMT 9
Agnese: Thank you for the suggestion!
Jul 21, 2018 15:40:43 GMT 9
Mayken: My daughter met some inversed ML/ml kids today who live in our ml country. Their parents probably weren't thrilled they found n ML (for them) friend in their ml country. I'm sorry...a little bit.
Aug 7, 2018 2:07:34 GMT 9